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johnannis
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Joined: 08/31/2007
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 Posted - 07/26/2010 : 20:26:25
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Well, what do you guys think.
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cooleyjb
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Joined: 05/29/2008
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 20:31:21
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| It was against the rule that IRL so I think it was the right call. That rule is ridiculously stupid though. |
Joe Cooley
Circuit Motorsports
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SteveLevin
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Joined: 11/27/2007
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 22:45:58
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he wuz robbed.
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jgore15
Novice Typer
Joined: 01/11/2009
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 01:58:28
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| That was absolute crap! I guess if the rule is written to make that illegal, you have to enforce it.... But the rule should be re-worded now to obviate the reoccurance of the same problem. The entire Penske organization was robbed |
There are sheep in front of you and wolves behind. Never forget how hungry the wolves are. |
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Stu Coomer
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Joined: 04/02/2002
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 06:30:21
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| It`s time to fire some IRL officials. |
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Grant
Ready to Write a Book
Joined: 08/23/2002
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 08:27:28
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| That was not blocking in any way shape or fashion! The most rediculous call I've every seen in racing-period. I think I would have gone bezerk too. |
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Warren Stilwell
Novice Typer
Joined: 09/17/2002
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 09:09:02
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| I didn't get that call at all. It seemed like when he came around to get the green he basically committed to what would be considered, from the drivers perspective, as taking or protecting the inside line all the way to turn one. From his perspective I don't know how he could have looked at what he did any differently. Obviously, protecting or taking the inside line isn't a block, maybe the bozo official didn't know that? And the tiny little move he made right before he did the actual turn-in could not have been a "block" because the other car, by that time, was already way over and not even near his car. He was hosed I cannot believe that call wasn't reversed and that his team mate said he blocked him. Ha! |
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Bob Devol
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Joined: 04/02/2002
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 09:18:08
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Before the race Brian Barnhard clearly explained to the drivers what is considered blocking under IRL rules. Basically the rules state that leading drivers are barred from ever driving on the inside line leading into any corner at any time. No "two move" rule. It's a "stay in your lane" rule. They didn't make up the rule on the spot, they enforced the written rules, as stupid as they are.
I understand we need more passing in all pro series, but the IRL's passing rules don't work at all. Castroneves was jobbed before the green flag flew. |
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Warren Stilwell
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Joined: 09/17/2002
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 10:12:00
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| Ah ha! Thanks Bob for the explanation. That clearly nullifies my earlier post!! |
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Trail Boss
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Joined: 03/23/2005
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 10:44:09
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Per AutoWeek Racing.Com this ayem:
"According to Brian Barnhart, president of IndyCar's competition division, Castroneves did not change driving lines multiple times or weave, which are the classic definitions of blocking. Instead, he simply--and wrongly--took the inside line when Power challenged him.
Say what?
“On road courses and street circuits, you are not allowed to take the inside half [of the course] when someone is trying to pass you,” Barnhart told AutoWeek on Monday. “The rules are very clear on this, and we talk about it before every race.”
Castroneves was called for blocking Justin Wilson late in the 2008 race in Detroit, and Barnhart ordered him to give Wilson the position back. Barnhart said IndyCar changed the rule for the 2009 season. Blocking now results in “a minimum of a drive-through” penalty.
After the incident in Edmonton on Sunday, officials told Castroneves to come to pit road. However, he chose not to and finished ahead of official race leader and eventual winner Scott Dixon, who took advantage of the Team Penske battle to muscle his way past Power. After the race, Barnhart docked Castroneves 20 seconds, putting him 10th in the final running order.
Barnhart said the rule change was made because competitors felt there was no deterrent to blocking.
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100726/IRL/100729882#ixzz0uthqww52
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Bob Devol
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 11:40:00
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Maybe if we had more passing-friendly tracks like Road America and The Glen on the IRL schedule, we could go back to the two-move rule.
The problem is the playing field, not the players. |
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Racer X
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 14:57:34
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“On road courses and street circuits, you are not allowed to take the inside half [of the course] when someone is trying to pass you,” Barnhart told AutoWeek on Monday. “The rules are very clear on this, and we talk about it before every race.”
Wow. What a stupid rule. I mean really.
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DougStewart
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Joined: 04/04/2002
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 18:15:26
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I think that was a really bad call and it looked to me like Helio did take the inside line, but did not move his car off that line.
Was there any penalty or sanctions to Helio for putting his hands on the IRL head of security? |
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WhatsThatNoise
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Joined: 11/21/2006
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Steve Kramer
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 20:28:49
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| It's really bad when Warren comes out of the past to comment! |
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kgrammer
Corruptor of the Code
Joined: 05/12/2006
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 22:41:09
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It's really easy to armchair quarterback decisions like this. What we don't know is what kind of prior problems or warnings, if any, was Helio given. I also have never worked with Brian or the IRL crew. My experience was with the Champ Car staff. But when I look at the video, and based solely on what I saw (without the benefit of knowing the off-track history between Helio and the officials), I think Helio has every right to be furious with the decision.
I understand the need to have blocking rules, but this idea of "picking a lane" is crazy. How can you "pick a lane" on a circuit like that? We are taking the "racing" out of motorsports.
I really miss the CART/Champ Car days when drivers were actually allowed to RACE each other! |
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